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Post by goochmonster on Oct 23, 2006 18:08:28 GMT -5
By American media and scum bag government. They are all up in arms because North Korea has tested nuclear missles? Well should someone remind them that America, Russia and Canada hold 94 percent of all Nuclear weapons in the world?
Who the hell do these guys think they are? America is the true terrorists at work as since this "War" started there have been over 600,000 innocent arabs killed.
Go piss China off Bush, then watch them stomp a mudhole in your ass.
Bush should be sitting right next to Sadaam in the courtroom. He is a disgusting, scumb bag piece of trash who is the reason for most of the nonsense that is going on today. America needs to sort out its own bloody problems which allt he problems everywhere else in the world combined wouldn't match the kind of shit Americans have.
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Post by Alcohol4ever on Oct 23, 2006 18:17:23 GMT -5
Are you just ranting? Beacuse this makes no sence to me.
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Post by [Beefy] on Oct 23, 2006 18:26:45 GMT -5
Nuckes shouldn't be anywhere all this is; is a power struggle to rule the world. The world leaders need to get over themselves. :]
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Post by Emy-Dawn on Oct 24, 2006 5:27:00 GMT -5
lol imagine testing one but things went wrong and they got blown up
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Post by Italian Stallion on Oct 29, 2006 23:15:14 GMT -5
who brainwashes people?
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Post by Viper on Nov 7, 2006 11:50:18 GMT -5
This makes no sense to me just another person bashing Bush and our troops for doing the right thing. You really sound a bit like kerry's last speech lol!!!
And really if you want to get into a policticale argument please PM me instead of flaming Bush, the troops, and everyone that contredicts you.
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Post by TheDisturbed1 on Nov 7, 2006 16:18:13 GMT -5
its all politics... which us as teens should not be worried about all too much. So if I join the U.S. Air Force and receive orders to bomb a location, do I turn down those orders? Not at all... Its people not doin their job that causes conflict and I dont want to make it worse. The responsibility falls into my commanding officers which winds up to the president who has all this pressure between civilians and senators. If he had made a bad move, blame the Americans that told him what to do.... Bush did nothing wrong and keep in mind N koreas rep. because even china supported sanctions. If the world let N Korea get away with it, then Iran thinks they will too.
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Post by Will on Nov 14, 2006 4:23:26 GMT -5
Yes you do. If the general give you an order to murder, in cold blood, thousands of people, you refuse.
Then again, maybe you do it. Not because you, obedient, listen to your superiors, but because the world is overpopulated anyway and decimating a few people can't hurt.
Iran has nothing to do with it. Iran is fine. They are okay. They aren't doing anything. It's stupid to try and blame them.
As teens (shudder... I hate that word), we are the future. We are the next generation. Of course we need to know about politics! We're going to have to run the world when the current generation is sick of destroying the earth for us.
People 'doing their job' is what destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. People 'doing their job' are in Iraq right now, slaughtering innocent civilians on Bush's orders. I'm so glad Rumsfeld resigned, because it's a sign the 'war in Iraq' (read: slaughter) is coming to a close.
I'm disappointed. Americans really are brainwashed. By the government and by Bush.
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Post by TheDisturbed1 on Nov 15, 2006 8:46:50 GMT -5
By joining the military, you are making a vow to follow your counries lead no matter what... And refusing an order is proper grounds for punishment or dishonorable discharge. I dont know where you get the idea of US troops murdering innocents in Iraq, unless you view hostile militia as innocents. The same people who hail their former leader who was recently sentenced for murdering innocents. Will my freind, I beleive you have what we call the Democratic View. All that democrats care about in war is get out of iraq. And sure Iran if fine to you but word spreads like wildfire when a country faces a nuclear threat/crisis. I dont beleive the world is overpopulated and neither should anyone else. Noone is blaming Iran for anything, just observing... and you say that Americans are brainwashed by the Government, then that makes you brainwashed by the media.
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Post by Will on Nov 21, 2006 21:58:32 GMT -5
In that case, I'd never join the military. 'Dishonourable discharge' sounds far more appealing than killing someone. It's true; US troops do, in fact, kill unarmed civilians in Iraq: www.wsws.org/articles/2006/jul2006/iraq-j01.shtmlwww.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2006-06-19-army-charges_x.htmabcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=2006497&page=1Yes, Saddam Hussein did kill innocents as well. This is why he will be given the death penalty. But Bush is no better, since half the reason this war exists is for the massive oil stockpiles in Iraq. So, what's your suggestion? Stay in Iraq? Kill more people? Take more oil until America rules the world? And all Iran is doing is enriching Uranium for nuclear energy to power their homes and factories. They're not building nuclear weapons, but it's a good excuse for Bush to run in and take more oil and kill more people. And in case you haven't noticed, the Democrats won the midterm elections. And no, I'm not brainwashed by the media, since the media is encouraging the war.
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Post by TheDisturbed1 on Nov 23, 2006 8:19:29 GMT -5
Those soldiers were commiting a crime when they did that... You placing the entire military responsible for what a few men did. Those guys were tried and punished BY THEIR COUNTRY for what they did do. It doesnt matter where you go under everyone authority there will be corruption and absolute violations of various things that make their fellow men and women want to vomet. You misunderstand to think a patriot rapes and kills civilians of a warzone.
I'm sure you have heard how if we pull out too quick there is a possibility of endangering the people worse than they already are in Iraq. truth of the matter is that the situation is too darn delicate to make a massive out. Vladimir Putkin said himself that going into Iraq in the first place may have been a mistake, pulling out like this would be an even bigger mistake.
And yes I know verrry well how the Dems won midterms. as most europeans say, "dumb ass americans". barely half of the population voted... but o well, at least my state gov. is a Rep.
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Post by TheDisturbed1 on Nov 23, 2006 8:22:50 GMT -5
and I dont really see how to bring oil into the equation... altho im sure if you provided proof it would be bush-bashing material and i really dont give a flying crap about that crap. (excuse my bowell language ;D )
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Post by Will on Nov 23, 2006 10:06:46 GMT -5
The fact that most Americans (or only half) don't vote speaks for the stupidity of that whole country. Congratulations, you boast the most obese nation in the world, a huge division between the rich and poor. A country where everyone will sue at the drop of a hat, usually over something stupid like "omg u dropped my hat lol!11" And you also have a stupid president whom approval ratings have fallen extremely far (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bush_approval_ratings_line_graph.png) for. The stupidest thing he could have done is wage war on a random middle eastern country instead of dealing with the situation peacefully using diplomacy. Instead it's, "my country has more missiles than yours therefore I win.".
And yes, the oil issue is highly related to the topic. It's obvious that the war is at least partially a way to get more oil. And if you don't want to hear proof (calling it 'bush bashing') then your mind is too closed and I can't help you there.
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Post by TheDisturbed1 on Nov 25, 2006 10:21:28 GMT -5
well the approval ratings are mostly ppl confused about why he doesnt do wat they think is right which is in contradiction of his religion... of which i go by the same standards. if you think my president is so stupid to use religion as a poltical tool, then hopefully the president of iran wont as he had offered the president to convert the US to an islamic country. we did not wage war on an random little country, we waged war on a terrorist organization that killed more of OUR INNOCENTS than you can take pisses in a frikin year. call it wat u will but we are attemting form iraq a stable government not based on communist and dictatorship that will lead another leader to be hung... even if it is failing we have not waged nor declared war on a country. we are attacked everyday althroughout the middle east and the organization doing it is successfully killing its own civilians... and if your a peace pusher i feel very sorry for you, because ppl are f*cked up in da head and kill pll just to feel the least bit sane... and the odds are it would be a peace pusher that gets the end of a cap. but it doesnt really matter. in the struggle for world peace you using the oil bit as an explanasion for colatteral, if thats the case america is soon gonna conqer canada for its oil stockpile. and mock my country as if everywhere you go its full of rich ppl and fat ppl who work and eat beat their children. I'll tell you what, this corrupt nation is as corrupt as every CONTINENT. although some people like to think this country still has some old-time values to it, but those are only found in small cities and towns like mine. so what 30% of the nation approves the president, i never saw that poll nor have even had the chance to take it. its completely unofficial and the dems use that every bit possible to have republicans lose the '08 election. my mind is verrrry closed, because most of wat you know is only a fraction and wat you beleive cannot be changed. so it is an open-shut conversation stuck in a roundabout. quite frankly i am done. btw try not visit the us, with an attitude like that you might get fat and sewed.
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Post by Will on Dec 3, 2006 23:06:31 GMT -5
Are you sure? If that's the case, then over half of Americans are 'confused'. OR... they know what they're talking about and the rest are slowly realising this. The President of Iran will keep out of your affairs if you keep out of theirs. They weren't involved until the US involved them. 'OMG IRAN HAS NUCULAR WEPONS LOL LETS KIL THEM!' brings a hasty and knee-jerk response. You started it. Bullshit. You waged war on a random contry. The US's policy is "shoot (or bomb) first, make up an excuse later". The problem here isn't Iran killing people, it's the US's apprehensiveness at Iran's new nuclear energy program. Designed to create power to shelter the people or that country, keep them safe and warm and in lighting. You would take that away from them if they hurt just one US soldier, and that's stupid. You conservative anti-communist. You don't even know the first thing about communism. It's based around equality and treating everyone equally, yet your government brainwashed you so perfectly you'd die to defend that which you don't understand. There's nothing inherently wrong with communists. Hell, call me a communist sympathiser then. I don't f**king care. Go ahead, kill me because I believe people deserve to be equal. You're not 'forming a stable government', you're simply killing those who oppose what you think a good government should be. No, you haven't waged war on Iran yet. You did that to Iraq though, and it's only a matter of time. Unless Bush gets outed as President somehow quickly. I fear for the people of Iran, simply because they're about to be killed by a 'pre-emptive strike' wihch means Bush just wants to wage war for no reason. You're attacked everyday because you attack back. If you stop, they'll stop. They want you out of their country. Note: their country. Not yours. Take the hint and leave. Oh, now it's suddenly bad to be opposing of war, the slaughtering of innocents which is essentially, 'my army can beat up your army therefore we win lol!'. Have you even seen 'Bowling for Columbine'? 'Farenheit 9/11'? US troops bay for blood, regardless of whether it's right or not. Oil is a reason, not an excuse. They're actually doing it, at least particlly, for the oil. If the oil weren't important, they'd simply bomb the place or resort to diplomacy. Now they want wat, they're going to take it like a child taking a candy from another child because 'he wants it more'. Bullshit. You're not going to touch Canada. What gave you that stupid idea? It looks better for the unwashed masses if you take it by force, it proves you're 'stronger'. It IS full of fat people. Statistically no other nation has more fat or trigger-happy than yours. There have been WAY more gun-related deaths in your country than ANY other country. Not true. Look at this biased report in favour of USA: www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781359.html shows that there are several countries less corrupt than USA. Regardless, the general trend is that Bush is a bad president. The rest of the world agrees too. The only people who want Bush in power are power-hungry pro-war Christian conservatives such as yourself. Maybe not Christian. Though if you are I'd bet you don't go to church every Sunday. Sif. Don't be proud of a closed mind, because it means you can't handle other opinions. Go home and live out your stupid life, get fat and sue someone. Go celebrate Christmas by giving presents to people and fail to recognise what it's realy about. Go ride your scooter everywhere because you cbf walking. and no, what you believe CAN be changed. For instance, people who convert to Christianity, Muslim, Buddhism etc; all their beliefs changed. You can't tell me beliefs are stuck forever. God forbid I ever attempt to enter your corrupt hole of a country. Go have some underage sex and drink some alcohol, like the rest of the teenagers from the US, indeed, the world.
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Post by Viper on Dec 5, 2006 12:34:11 GMT -5
Will just because someone beleaves in something that yuo do not you dont have to hate them for it. If all you can do is say mean things you will never get to know these people that you are talking bad about you will never know that you might just be totally wrong. You cant get past yuor own opinion to find out the truth. And I would gladly give my life for this country and that is not because I am brainwashed, what I was taught or told, it is because I love my country. And if we are forced to engage Iran or any other country in the war on terror I will be right there with them.
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Post by TheDisturbed1 on Dec 8, 2006 1:38:52 GMT -5
hahaha Wow. A guy nice enough to drag any possible thing to exploit the US. Go join the Al-Queda training camp in Lebanon and fire an AK upon a US convoy, from the sounds of things you seem REAL eager to do so. Wherever the hell your from I have respect for because I am sure that GOOD PEOPLE EXIST THERE. You Stereotyped an entire country without any display of respect for it or any of its people. And I think I've handled your opinions nicely. Sure, I'm a Pro-war Christian based gun toting redneck who is willing to do whatever it takes to represent and serve his country, but if you cant respect that... (I could use harsher words) - Then Fudge off [img src="http://www.chopperbicycle.net/forums/images/smilies/finger[1].gif"]
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