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Post by Justdoit on Feb 9, 2007 23:49:03 GMT -5
What do you all think and feel about gay rights and gay marriage?
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Post by biancasaur on Feb 10, 2007 18:39:26 GMT -5
I think gay couples should have the same rights as everyone else, including inheriting property from each other, and adoption rights. However, I'm not sure how I feel about gay marriage -- not because I think marriage is "sacred" or "only between men and women," but because I think that the fact that married couples get special rights is not cool anyway -- I don't think the government should be involved in marriage at all. I think it should be simply a symbolic thing between two people. And I don't think allowing gay people to marry would solve the problem, because it just reinforces the idea that "two people getting together forever and ever to raise children" is the Only Way, which I don't believe it is. The website www.unmarried.org is a good one to learn about people who can't get married or choose not to get married and what sort of legal stuff they have to deal with.
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Post by Will on Feb 11, 2007 5:04:57 GMT -5
I think that gay people are people too, and they don't deserve to be treated badly for who they are or what they are. They deserve rights. That being said, I'm not supposed to think they should be allowed to be married, because the union between a man and a woman is supposed to be sacred. The truth of the matter is, I don't know why I'm supposed to think this.
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Post by thalintuim on Feb 11, 2007 6:42:49 GMT -5
will, you are a major fence sitter. I doubt in any group of reasonably minded and intelligent individuals a coherent argument could be made as to why gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry. I think people should stop letting religion and sentimental views about marriage being sacred getting in the way of any people who love each other being married. Considering how high divorce rates are and all anyway. Having said that, I'm an adamant atheist, and grew up in an environment that never forced me to consider anything as sacred.
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Post by WHAT THE *beep* on Feb 11, 2007 7:14:50 GMT -5
What the *beep* y'all God made ADAM AND EVE not ADAM AND STEVE. Gay marriage is nasty.
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Post by , Anna, BO, Banna, on Feb 11, 2007 9:06:44 GMT -5
What the f**k y'all God made ADAM AND EVE not ADAM AND STEVE. Gay marriage is nasty. not everyone believes in God you tard and its not like its affecting you anyways.
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Post by effinbois on Feb 12, 2007 6:36:13 GMT -5
we deserve to have equallity to hetrosexuals!
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Post by littlemikey on Feb 12, 2007 8:05:31 GMT -5
My opinion is this:
Phsically, there is no reason why Homosexal couples should not marry. There is nothing 'wrong' with Gay Marriage in a medical sence.
Morally, I think that everyone should be able to choose who they love. People do not 'choose' to be gay. Most of the time childhood trauma is responsible, for example if a girl is raped at a young age, she may grow to fear males, and therefore only be able to love a nother girl. I do not think that the girl should be outcast because of this, as there was nothing she could do to prevent it.
Now, I am not going to say anything much about the religious side of the concept, exept that the church works on the following principle: First they say "It is not true" Then they say "It is true, but it dosent matter" Then finally they cry "We knew it all along"
Remember, do not turn this thread into a flame war. You may state your opinion and discuss the issue, but any rule breaking, including harrassing another member about their beliefs, or attempting to start a flame war will result in a warning or a ban.
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Post by effinbois on Feb 14, 2007 18:52:27 GMT -5
tehe i cant be baned lmao...
yeah people don't 'choose' to be gay.. i didn't its just the way my brain works.. if anything i've had more abuse from guys.. so i don't see it as truama, its me XD
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Post by littlemikey on Feb 14, 2007 22:20:02 GMT -5
Effinbois, you can be banned, it is possible for admins to completely a guests IP address from the site.
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Post by !__ANOMALY on Feb 15, 2007 22:25:01 GMT -5
I think it is immoral and wrong to deny people the rights granted to them by the United States Constitution.
And I agree that the government should stay out of marriage all together. I don't think anyone should be legally bound to someone. People aren't property. If two people have children and they live together, wonderful. If they don't get along, THEN they can go to court over it if they really need to. I think marriage should be symbolic, but not legal. I refuse to be legally tied down to anyone. I don't need the government to support who I love or who I choose to sleep with. If I want to commit, I don't need their permission or anyone else's. And I don't need a ring.
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Post by TheDisturbed1 on Feb 16, 2007 4:23:35 GMT -5
gay "rights" have little to do with anything... in america as well as other well established countries there is no "ban" in any form relating to the Rights of public displays of affection or any other form of action that could upset homophobs... in america they have the free will do whatsoever in their own sense of time that is given (by whatever your beleif system is). Most religions find it to be immoral given the fact that it is unnatural to the faithful ones and the God(s) prohibited it for most likely a very good reason...
gay "marriage": Marriage itself - Websters definition 1 a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law
now, they DID ADD a part two. i dont know when (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage. <same-sex marriage>
some people can testify to tradition being broken resulting in corruption... others can refer to outing many Olympic games and adding newer, more exotic extreme sports...
an argument that can never be settled. either opinion will be wrong and we all have our opinions and call marriage a "Right".
marriage was originally biblical in many religions under the first definition in websters dict., since then there are liscenses and alot of work that can require attourneys... (especially if a break-up happens)...
My opinion: "Same-sex" marriage liscense - If thats what ya want "Same-sex" marriage by "preist" or someone of similar (between religions) - seems like a very wrong thing
O.K. I'll shut up now
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Post by effinbois on Feb 18, 2007 17:47:54 GMT -5
true.. but i use a couple of different computers at different houses... so it wouldn't be easy *shrugs* thats my life i guess...
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Post by [Beefy] on Feb 18, 2007 18:09:29 GMT -5
gay "rights" have little to do with anything... in america as well as other well established countries there is no "ban" in any form relating to the Rights of public displays of affection or any other form of action that could upset homophobs... in america they have the free will do whatsoever in their own sense of time that is given (by whatever your beleif system is). Most religions find it to be immoral given the fact that it is unnatural to the faithful ones and the God(s) prohibited it for most likely a very good reason... gay "marriage": Marriage itself - Websters definition 1 a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law now, they DID ADD a part two. i dont know when (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage. <same-sex marriage> some people can testify to tradition being broken resulting in corruption... others can refer to outing many Olympic games and adding newer, more exotic extreme sports... an argument that can never be settled. either opinion will be wrong and we all have our opinions and call marriage a "Right". marriage was originally biblical in many religions under the first definition in websters dict., since then there are liscenses and alot of work that can require attourneys... (especially if a break-up happens)... My opinion: "Same-sex" marriage liscense - If thats what ya want "Same-sex" marriage by "preist" or someone of similar (between religions) - seems like a very wrong thing O.K. I'll shut up now
I tottally agree, nice post! I think people are just scared of loosing the "traditional ways" Honestly I hate most traditions because it gets so old and boring its 2007 now we need to be more updated, start new traditions etc. Theres nothing wrong with same sex marrige but I dont believe it should done by a preist or minister.
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Post by Barbaro on Feb 18, 2007 19:09:22 GMT -5
Its almost like raceism, not letting them get marrie I think. Are they not people?
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Post by TheDisturbed1 on Feb 19, 2007 6:03:00 GMT -5
the lines of racism would be more along the lines of homosexual activity being unlawful and illegal...
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Post by biancasaur on Feb 20, 2007 13:34:28 GMT -5
I think it's perfectly fine for churches to say that they will not marry homosexual couples. That's up to them. But people's personal religious beliefs should have no bearing on what rights people are given by the secular government (although our government isn't that secular, sadly).
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